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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 17, 2009 3:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Now, I would walk out...

QUESTION: The Grateful Dead got started at a time when rock bands were getting political. How do you feel about bringing politics into music?

JERRY: That always used to scare me. It's tough when somebody takes a topical stand and makes their work political, even if the nature of the politics is to say 'give peace a chance,' it's like what you're doing is you’re entering in the war game whether you like it or not. Your saying, 'give peace a chance' is like saying forget about war for a while, which is really like saying remember war. Back in the sixties when everybody was either on one side or the other, we used to spend all our time avoiding being on one side or the other, because in that particular game there's only one side, and any energy that you give to the idea of war, is war, you know. And it's all war, and the best thing to do is to drop the whole notion. I mean fighting about war is just like fighting about [?], fighting about peace. A war is a war, a fight is a fight, and a struggle is a struggle, and if you put yourself in that position you're going to have to pay the dues, and so as far as I was concerned, it was always. That's why we never wrote any anti-war songs. It's because like why participate on any level, why give war any energy. Any energy you give it, glamorizes it; any energy you give it, even to say that it’s a bad trip.

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Poster: spacedface Date: May 17, 2009 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Now, I would walk out...

I think Jerry got himself caught in an infinite regress there.

While the GD didn't grandstand, it's pretty clear they were on some side -- unapproved substances, Woodstock, clothing, hair, numerous benefit concerts (Black Panthers to Sufis to Rainforest), occasional political comments by Wavy Gravy and others, etc.

If Jerry hadn't been taken out or zoned out by heroin, maybe he could have shared his mature views.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 17, 2009 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Now, I would walk out...

It's true that the quote above can seem awkward in its "logical conclusion" implications, but nonetheless, I really appreciate the "anybody but somebody with a cause" kind of perspective...whether it's religion, politics or what have you, the person "with their fist out" generally wants more of you than to just say their piece, and always give me the willies even when I am sympathetic to their position.

Now it is true, that Jerry said things like "moving the human race ahead a step or two" by living "uncluttered lives" or what have you, but I think it primarily espoused in the "live and let live" with as little grandstanding as possible.

And perhaps most appealing of all was his recognition, I think, that their position as performers, famous ones, gave them no special status, and that he disdained those that would use such position for influence. Sure, he could come off as a selfish hedonist, shirking his duty as a father, and so on, but I have to complement him on this latter perspective ("we are not privileged due to our fame").

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Poster: spacedface Date: May 17, 2009 9:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Now, I would walk out...

Yes he's very likable, and of course far preferable to some cardboard character from U2. I just have to stop myself from idolizing him, while still being able to say God Bless him.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: May 19, 2009 7:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Now, I would walk out...

If he'd just become a U.S. citizen, we could have the Boehner/Bono ticket in '12...

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Poster: spacedface Date: May 19, 2009 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Now, I would walk out...

They might do better with Bono heading the ticket -- it has a certain ring.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: May 19, 2009 10:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Now, I would walk out...

And being Bono, he'd insist on topping the bill anyway... ;-)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 19, 2009 11:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Now, I would walk out...

When Warren Zevon died, he was surprised to find himself in rock-n-roll heaven. St. Peter was showing him around, introducing him to all the departed rock stars. Visiting a fantastic music studio, he saw Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, John Bonham, Mama Cass, etc., etc.
Suddenly, with a flourish, Bono walked into the studio and joined in the jam.
Zevon gasped to St. Peter: 'I didn't know Bono died!'
'Oh no,' replied Peter 'That's God - he just THINKS he's Bono.'

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 18, 2009 6:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Now, I would walk out...

there you go! and of course, that's really the way it has to be...and maybe even should be.

good one!

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: May 17, 2009 5:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Now, I would walk out...


Well my telephone was ringing
And they told me it was Chairman Mao
Well my telephone was ringing
And they told me it was Chairman Mao
You can tell him anything
'Cause I just don't wanna talk to him now

I've got the apolitical blues
And that's the meanest blues of all
Apolitical blues
And that's the meanest blues of all
I don't care if it's John Wayne

I just don't wanna talk to him now

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Poster: deyzof49 Date: May 17, 2009 4:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Now, I would walk out...

Was aware of that comment of Jerry's. They're advertising Her Majesty's Armed Forces toys on kid's TV in the UK at the moment. Glamourising indeed.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 17, 2009 6:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Now, I would walk out...

Yep--that's the quote we needed when we were debated "WWJD?" prveviously...